Jul 16 2017

£20 Charge to Dump Waste for non-Harrow Residents

It was the council’s monthly cabinet meeting last week, and this item crept in, relating to changes at the Forward Drive waste site:

It was resolved that:

  1. a charge of £20 to non-residents using the Harrow Re-use and Recycling Centre (HRRC) site per visit be introduced and non-residents be restricted from disposing of non-recyclable waste
  2. all Harrow Residents be required to produce proof of identification to demonstrate that they lived in the borough in order to dispose of household waste free of charge
  3. Harrow residents be prevented from disposing of non-household waste free of charge, including building waste resulting from construction or demolition works and home renovation works
  4. the Automatic Number Plate Recognition systems (ANPR) be used at the site to help control and restrict unauthorised usage
  5. the Divisional Director of Environment and Culture, following consultation with the Portfolio Holder for Environment, be authorised to progress implementation of these recommendations.

All sounds good, right? Well, no, actually. All those measures are designed to REDUCE the amount of waste taken to the site. The centre currently handles 40,000 tonnes of waster per year, with a recyclable content of 34%. The national average is 61.7%. If the council can reduce the amount of non-recyclable waste (by charging non-residents and stopping non-domestic waste), then the ratio of recyclables goes up, and everyone’s happy, right?

The result of this that is that flytipping will increase, resulting in a lower quality of life for residents, higher costs for residents, and although the council doesn’t say it, you have to wonder if that flytipped waste is counted towards the 40,000 tones – and thus the recyclable ratios – each year.

Making waste facilities easily and freely available to residents would reduce the amount of flytipping – if you can make something easier, obviously more people would do it.The council would be better off introducing a programme of localised waste collections for bulky waste – the sort of stuff that (a) doesn’t go into your bin and (b) tends to get flytipped: something like a skip in certain areas – park car parks? – on a regular basis, such as a Saturday morning once a month.

It/s not all about hitting a target: it’s about making Harrow a better place for everyone to live.


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  1. F.D.Billson

    This ia typical of the Labour council. They are floundering about as usual but are unable to come up with a solution that actually saves the local taxpayer money. That will be the day !

    1. mike mcfadden

      F.D.Billson, It seems you fully understand Labour Nu-Labour are all the same when it comes to business or managing Tax-payers money. They create a problem and then throw tax-payers money at it hoping “things will get better” but they never do. So they seem to clear their conscience by pretending they have created employment. Not for the many only the few.!! Ha ha nice to have you on-board. Ave a nice day.
      Mike McFadden

  2. Keith

    And increase waiting time while documents are checked!!!!

  3. walle1j

    An increase of over 200% of Garden waste being deposited at the site and increased traffic. Any sensible person could have seen that one coming

  4. Christopher Langley

    In the real world, flytippipng is not caused by non residents being charged. After all, call me stupid, but if they are local there never has been or will be a charge. It is often caused by landlords who will not replace bedding or other furniture when a new resident moves in. Having spoken to local Estate Agents, they tell me that tenants are instructed to make arrangements themselves and this includes removing the old furniture, which of course they are often unable to do because of the size of furniture. When the landlord is not directly involved, it means that they are not legally responsible and do not have to pay for disposal which includes hiring staff and a van plus the cost van drivers pay at Forward Drive probably in all, more than the cost of the furniture.

    Also in the real world, flytipping is also caused by residents who believe that the local charity shop and here I am thinking of St Lukes along Willowcourt Avenue, who knowingly use the absolutely mad idea of placing wheelie bins on the street as an extension of Foreward Drive. This particular “street furniture” was a result of creating a garage workshop on the basis of providing shops along Kenton Road with a taxpayers paid security door. Other examples can be found in Harrow Weald adjacent to Long Elmes.

  5. Bill Stephenson

    Every other local council is faced with the same problem mentioned in your comments. All the councils close to us actually charge and so residents particularly from Brent are increasingly using Harrow’s currently free facilities instead of their own Council’s. Charging as well seems to me to be commonsense as well as working with all our neighbours to try and solve fly tipping problems collectively.

  6. Hectors House (@NegligentRail)

    Firstly the charging of non residents is a good idea 1 refuse site in Watford & 1 in Ruislip have shut meaning outside traffic to Forward Drive has dramatically increased

    Fly tipping, people are lazy & will dump their junk regardless,builders will fly tip to save money & here is the rub any householder having building work must ensure their builder is licensed to dispose of the waste or the person they contract to remove it is but people do not bother.

    Then we have asbestos tipping, there is a team of builders doing work in the Borough & fly tipping the Asbestos as they go causing great expense to the Council .the Enviro crime is not as good as it once was they warned me I could be done if someone complained for putting the council sacks I fill by the street bins which is outrageous & quite frankly pathetic (I have permission).

    Now we have the Council there are people there who quite frankly are not up to the job Bridleway 51 has a Council installed fire access gate & Arris railings everyone knows the Council installed it to stop cars being dumped & set on fire & fly tipping a Council padlock is on the gate.This was cut off & some bright spark has decided that it was not the Council who installed it even though there were meetings,witnesses & even the name of the Council staff member who authorized the gate.

    So because of this inept pen pusher fly tipping is on the up there including Asbestos a new home for fly tippers & it will get worse as it is dark & quite there.Then we have the overpaid Legal Department who are scared of their own shadow on 1 occasion when they heard I had photos the were more concerned that I had photographs of people rather than what they were so doing, then when a house had been identified for dumping rubbish in the street I asked for a leaflet to be put through the door as they did not speak English & the leaflet had information in their Language that would explain everything I was told that it could be seen as discrimination & singling them out as no leaflets would be put through other doors.

    There very good staff members at the Council so please do not think I am targeting anyone,every business has both good & bad staff.

  7. Wealdstone Warrior

    The council needs to sort out the rats that are running riot across Harrow, due to fly tipping and food litter. BBC London News were filming the rats in Harrow yesterday. Only when Harrow’s problems go global on the internet, do they then take action.

    1. mike mcfadden

      Wealdstone Warrior, You’re doing a great job keep it up. I’m still trying to chase the enforcement team at Harrow. If they really exist! Are you aware Harrow it is alleged dismissed 40 road cleaners “beat cleaners” but gave Allegedly £400,000 to immigrants to allow them to integrate but the question must be who with!!!

  8. DJFear Ross

    “all Harrow Residents be required to produce proof of identification to demonstrate that they lived in the borough in order to dispose of household waste free of charge”

    So they’re not charged at the moment? The majority of the rubbish dumped on our streets is simply that, household waste. The reason it is dumped even when each house has its own bins is that we have a problem with illegal multiple occupancy in the borough which Harrow Council doesn’t clamp down on. (I know as i’ve reported the Romanians on our street several times over the past 5 years and still they’re there, some living in the garage). If you have 10-20 people living in 3/4 bedroom house, they’re going to produce a lot of waste which needs to be disposed off.

    If you want cheap unlimited labour, it is cheap for a reason. Corners have to be cut and sharing 20 to a house in one way to do that. It’s not that British are lazy but everyone should have to play by the same rules.

    Add to that the volume of trucks and vans now parked on our street and it’s easy to get away with it due to the restricted views.

    I don’t agree with the other comment about landlords, why would you want to move into a house with load of rubbish in it already? The choice is yours to accept those conditions or not.
    The landlords are not always the rich bad guys. I’m also pretty certain that indeed legally it is the landlords responsility to clear the waste from the house before new tenants move in, I could be wrong but would can’t see how.

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