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Feb 26 2014

Independent Labour: More of the Same Bookkeeping Will Not Do

ilg_rosePress release from Harrow’s Independent Labour Group…

STRAIGHT TALKING PARTY PUTS FORWARD AN ALTERNATIVE BUDGET FOR HARROW – MORE OF THE SAME BOOKKEEPING WILL NOT DO

Councillor Thaya Idaikkadar, Leader of the Independent Labour Group, said:  “Independent Labour’s alternative budget proposals, which have been independently costed, put the people of Harrow first and provide a credible alternative for local residents. We will pay back the Harrow Tax Payers equivalent of 1% Council Tax, provide help to the most vulnerable, invest to help local businesses, Carers Project and improve the local environment and cleanliness in 2014/15.

Independent Labour has already delivered 20 minutes Free Parking for the whole of Harrow – one of our pledges. For long term, we have a clear vision and plan, embarking on ambitious house building programme to build about 3000 houses, introduce Landlords Licensing Scheme – officers have already been asked to do the feasibility work – to help rid of ‘beds and shed’ while improve and invest in the housing stock and attract investment from the New Homes Bonus scheme. There are other income generating proposals for future and the preparatory work has already begun.

The Labour budget proposals take money from one pocket and put it right back into another pocket – what they do not understand is that they are still wearing the same trousers, so it does not matter which pocket the money is in, it is still the same amount overall. We want to increase the income to Unfortunately, Labour does not have any new ideas, imagination or income generation proposals.

National Labour’s pledge to match George Osbourne’s unfair cuts is a race to the bottom and local Labour is the same. It is unfortunate that the Labour Leader does not know the difference between Revenue and Capital – that makes it difficult to come up with a credible budget.

When one in six GPs have been asked to refer patients to a food bank and at a time when Debt Help Charity tells us that 1,002 people in Harrow contacted its helpline last year, compared to 700 calls in 2012 – more of the same old bookkeeping will not do and you need to think outside the box. It is a disgrace that rich nation like ours need a food bank at all.

The Tory budget stresses balancing the books and whilst we can understand the wisdom of being careful with Tax Payers’ money, the welfare of the people comes first. If the floods have taught us anything, it is that we need to realise that sometimes you must spend now to save later.

We, the Independent Labour Group, are pragmatic socialists with the ethos of common sense which will provide value for money. We believe that the basic principles of fairness, care and economic competence do not have to be mutually exclusive. We are pressing hard to ensure residents are not forgotten by the political class and will support whoever is willing to take the side of the people of Harrow, rather than playing party politics.”

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  1. John Clement

    One can only speculate about which pockets councillors take money out of and which ones they put it into. As a council tax payer for many years I can only say that this has been a one directional process on my part, & Harrow Council have only ever done bad things in return -including reducing my area -councillor Idaikkadkors ward to a slum in which businesses and housing assiociations ride roughshod over residents.

  2. Harrow Dude

    Unless I am mistaken the ILG have not already delivered 20mins free parking across the borough.

    Although Thaya has promised to increase the revenue from parking fines by £800k…Sounds like vote winner or do I vote for Susie who wants to spend £400k on 400 bins….decisions decisions…

    1. sanjaykaria2014

      As you appear to be confused, let me try and help, although the answer is pretty obvious. Susie’s (using your language, I would have preferred Councillor Hall) idea is to spend (whilst Council faces £60 million shortfall and appears to reward director by paying them £100k for dismissal) whilst Thaya’s idea is about raising revenue £800k, and will also help reduce pollution. No brainer for those with some grey matter, vote for raising revenue rather than spend.

      1. Harrow Dude

        Sanjay ( I know you prefer Councillor Karia but you’re not one) Allow me to clear the tint from your rose coloured spectacles. Thaya has said that he intends to ‘increase’ the revenue from parking fines by £800k. As you appear to be bursting with grey matter can you explain how your Leader will do this without instructing wardens to up their quota of PCN’s issued or is he simply going to raise the cost of the penalty charge?

        Pragmatic socialists who believe that financially penalising the residents of Harrow to fund your budget makes sense now that’s a vote winner straight from the ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ handbook as used by Susie.

        Sanjay with your big brain can you explain how this idea will reduce pollution assuming of course that you don’t intend to impoverish the residents of Harrow to such a point that they can’t afford to drive anyway.

        At least Susie’s harebrained park bins proposal would only cost us £400k Thaya’s idea by his own calculations is going to cost the residents of Harrow £800k.

        Do you know what Sanj it is a no brainer neither of you are worthy of my vote.
        Good luck with your Councillor thingy…

  3. Melanie

    If Thaya wants to learn something from the floods, then it should be STOP BUILDING ON FLOOD PLAINS. When one party has the backbone to stop the development of flood plains like Whitchurch Playing Fields, that is the party that will win in May. We can have the cleanest borough in the world, with the most protected abused wives, but it means nothing if we are going to watch our houses float away whilst the consortium are entertaining Harrow councillors and council officers in nice, dry Wandsworth.

  4. King David

    Melanie – ILG is talking about budget for Harrow. Not a single comment about proposal at hand. Some snide comments perhaps try to be constructive in criticism so it serves a purpose. Your logic is so flawed. How a mere basic revamped structure providing better sports facilities bringing £2m investment even if disliked by a few people can be even compared to fully fledged new school building that will be more vulnerable and outright impossible going by your own objections and logic due to flood plain will be possible now? Double standards or what? Not forgwtting a legal covenant that prohibits any other building except sports facility.

    1. promissor

      I do wonder how that covenant that prohibits any building other than sports facility allows bars and functions. perhaps drinking games are a sport after all!

      1. Melanie

        Exactly promissor! I often think that our Councillors are so arrogant that they think residents are too stupid to realise that the real business is the function suite with bar for 500 people! But if I may be allowed to return to a question I have asked many times, who offered up the land for sale WITHOUT permission from the Department of Education? Why has nobody been penalised? Ignorance is no excuse in the law. As residents we have to fork out left, right and centre for genuinely innocent mistakes and yet councillors and council officers seem to be coated with Teflon. Not good enough, someone is accountable and we have the right to know who.

  5. Melanie

    King David (!) your reply is incomprehensible and doesn’t even make sense. My support is for not developing on any flood plains. However, if one is forced to live in proximity to such a development, it is far better to work with open, honest and well meaning educators than a few out of borough property developers, who never had the good manners to bother meeting with residents.

    Unfortunately, a covenant is not legally binding. The consortium has been unimpressive and is only interested in its own profits, not the good people of Harrow. Objectors were not “a few”, although you may wish it were so, but now number at over 1,000. But the land is for education and my meeting with the Minister ensured that he knew exactly what the consortium was up to and their financial history. But the consortium’s argument is not with me, but with a council that tendered out land when it did not have permission. If they had an iota of business acumen, they’d have moved on by now.

  6. Harrow Dude

    Sanjay ( I know you prefer Councillor Karia but you’re not one) Allow me to clear the tint from your rose coloured spectacles. Thaya has said that he intends to ‘increase’ the revenue from parking fines by £800k. As you appear to be bursting with grey matter can you explain how your Leader will do this without instructing wardens to up their quota of PCN’s issued or is he simply going to raise the cost of the penalty charge?

    Pragmatic socialists who believe that financially penalising the residents of Harrow to fund your budget makes sense now that’s a vote winner straight from the ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ handbook as used by Susie.

    Sanjay with your big brain can you explain how this idea will reduce pollution assuming of course that you don’t intend to impoverish the residents of Harrow to such a point that they can’t afford to drive anyway.

    At least Susie’s harebrained park bins proposal would only cost us £400k Thaya’s idea by his own calculations is going to cost the residents of Harrow £800k.

    Do you know what Sanj it is a no brainer neither of you are worthy of my vote.
    Good luck with your Councillor thingy…

    1. Sanjay Karia

      Hi Harrow Dude. Would really like to explain the simple logic behind my earlier comments and the ILG draft budget but think this will be a waste of time for “simpletons” – guess who comes to mind ? By the way, I do not wear rose tinted glasses, I wear varifocal lenses which allows me to see same ideas in a different way – something which requires grey matter. I think you only wear reading glasses only ?

      1. Harrow Dude

        Sanjay first of all I would like to congratulate you for assuming that residents that ask you to explain how you and your group are going to achieve the things you promise are simpletons, You will do the ILG proud, providing the ‘simpletons’ of Queensbury or or what ever ill-fated ward you are invoked upon vote for you.

        As a resident I asked legitimate questions of the proposals the ILG put forward that did not make sense to me but instead of providing an answer or been honest and saying that you do not know the answer you choose to try and belittle me because you assume you have more ‘grey matter’.

        I would suggest that if you want to master the art of answering without answering that you talk to Susie. The facts are at the moment there is no coherence to your riposte you chose to try and belittle me but admittedly you do still have time to learn how deal with simpletons before you will be depending on our votes.

        Sanj as the saying goes ‘those that can do, those that cannot climb on the back of those that can and are just plain rude because they do not want expose their ignorance’

        I would call you a fat useless oaf but that would bring me down to your level and I am way above your obvious lack of people skills…It’s not always about who you know Sanj…
        .
        I look forward to you knocking on my door.

        1. Sanjay Karia

          Hi Harrow Dude, Firstly, I will do you a favour by not revealing your identity but will say you are no resident of Harrow. Secondly, would suggest that you stick to what you think you know best, ie representing your members (not residents) which I understand are in steady decline. Thirdly, I think your members would not be particularly happy if they know of your support for the Tories. By the way good luck in your election in March 2014 – once again I am sure you will get elected but only because there is no one opposing you – real democracy ?

          1. gary

            Sanjay, firstly, I must state that I do not frequent these sites or portray myself to be anyone other that who I am, I am certainly not Harrow Dude, please refrain from derogatory comments which you appear to be conducting. Your insults of me only further confirm my opinions that you lack confidence in your own abilities.

            regards
            G

          2. Harrow Dude

            Sanjay it’s a good job you trained as a Podiatrist as you appear to have put your foot right in it. For the record Sanj I am a resident of Harrow and have been since 1970.

  7. All things good

    You did not put the people first when you raised the council tax by 2% last year. Give up ILG you are not going to get back in no matter how hard you try.

  8. King David

    Oh dear. is that you Gary as harrowdude? Blimey. All things good plz check ur facts. Labour Party raised 2% c.tax, then voted against 1% reduction in council tax as well as council tax freeze last night. Their budget attempt unveiled an hour before meeting was a joke and pathetic attempt to pinch ILG’s good ideas but the Labour Leader does not even undetstand the difference between revenue and capital. Labour Party in Harrow is so out of touch

  9. Thaya Idaikkadar

    Labour say they support 20 minute free parking but vote against it. They do not have any policies.

  10. Harrow Dude

    Thaya as Sanjay would not answer my questions maybe will.

    1) Have the ILG introduced 20mins free parking across the borough?
    2) Can you explain how you intended to raise revenue from parking fines by £800k
    3) Does the law permit you to use parking revenue to fund your budget?

    1. Thaya Idaikkadar

      Hello, Harrow Dude

      The budget is just passed. We could not start the roll out of 20 min free paking until the budget was passed. I will be pushing the admin to start the roll out urgently.

      By increasing the number of traffic warden by 10. We receive a number of complains about illegal, inconsiderate parkers near the school gates. There are about 70 schools and over 200 school gates in Harrow We have only 12 or 13 wardens at any on time and they can’t be every where. We are more than happy to punish the law breakers and help the law abiding rersidents of Harrow. The £800,000 was estimated by the senior mkembers of the staff.

      Yes, we can as we spend more than we collect in this area we can use the money. Every figure in our budget was cleared by the s151 officer as robust.

  11. King David

    HarrowDude!- answers from following budget meeting:

    1 – ILG fought hard and foeced Tory UTurn and yes 20 minutes free parking has been won and for across Harrow.

    Parking: No law abiding citizen will object to enforcement of law. Parking is not adopted in budget. you need to read carefully about details. It was prwdicated upon more.new jobs! But in any case tweaked and no longer in final agreement

  12. j p hobbs

    So its the same old same old answer from all parties Screw the Harrow Motorist a tad more .
    Wouldn’t you just know it . The simpletons way out .

  13. j p hobbs

    They will just sneak in a few more stealth cameras that should do it , one day the motorist will wake up and bite their asses ..

  14. King David

    JP Hobbs – Not true, no proposals by ILG had any mobile or stealth cameras. In fact the opposite, more jobs, appreciate law abiding citizens, enforce and correct inconsiderate behaviour that results in considerable distress to our local residents, children and parents. Terrible attitude by those who will park illegally and should pay for the consequences. It is about creating a decent environment and respecting each other.

  15. j p hobbs

    Your Majesty I am more concerned about the unsuspecting motorist dropping off elderly or disabled Harrow residents at Harrow and Wealdstone Station and the lack of good warning signs enabling them to avoid this . , I have the Champagne ready for he May election results . big shocks all round I believe ,
    cheers jp

  16. Paresha Panchal

    I think JP Hobbs makes an excellent point. Wealdstone has been neglected over the years. That is why I will be fighting to get the voices of people from Wealdstone heard. Signage should be improved.

    I worked in Wealdstone and personally realised how badly it has been treated and that is why I am standing in Wealdstone to put the people First.

    Paresha Panchal

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